Reed vs 458 Lott

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  1. A-5

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    AWESOME (with courage) VIDEO !

    A-5----A sterling story for you. 1st Winchester model 70, (I hope I get this right) pre 1964, manufacture date) 1962, in .270 caliber. Bought, delivered opened box, inside ' 458 Magnum African 'Plus the thing retail cost X times the price of a .270'.-----Took awhile to untangle the screw up, but the .270 I received did not print for poop. I shoulda' kept the .458 as a plinker and a conversation item. I have a box of 500 grain .458's. The ammo is probably close to $7 to $10 a pop today. The .458 in good shape (pre 64) must be worth some big bucks ?------Now, I wish that I kept it. NO, I never shot the 3 shot beast. It had a beautiful recoil pad. Yeah Right! & probably did nada !

    They may have had different grades on the African, I just don't remember if this was low or high end.
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    Damn, #1 in lott, that's gonna sting. I've fired the cz Safari in that caliber and it was a beast. I'm guessing that had a few extra pounds on the #1 too. I've also got a lot more, umm lets say"cushion" built in than the boy does there also and it rattled my fillings. You should tell him to try standing with something like that next time, it helps with heavy recoiling guns like that.

    The "bravery tester" we had like that when I was his age was an uncle's pre 64 .338 win mag. It was fairly painful, especially if you got up to close on the scope. I found that one out the hard way. Always glad to see the next generation enjoying some range time. Now who's next of the 148 A'S to try it.;)
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    Fossil I could probably look up the value on that rifle today for ya, but you might not make it to get your new replacement parts if I tell ya. Let's just say it would probably have funded the fossil mobile and enough .204 ammo to keep the ground grizzly population under control until you were a petrified fossil.
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    RL----- looks like a big oooops for me. Now the 458 I owned for 4 days and settled for a bent barrel .270-----Dose the .458 African, 458 LOTT, CZ Safari all shoot the same round ?????? Or if they are different, what makes them different ????
    My sensitivity to recoil was--I would not shoot 150 grain bullets out of any .270 I owned----130's were the max for me. I normally hung around 95 to 105 grain, not heated up, but accuracy loaded.
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    EDIT: I went on Gun Broker, pre 64 mfg 57---.458 African $15,500.00------OH GOOD LORD
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    I warned you.

    The Winchester you had was a .458 win mag. It's slightly shorter and less powerful than the lott. Granted when you get to that level, it's arguable how much difference it makes. Looking at my reloading books the lott gains 3/400 fps over the win mag and @ 800ftlb energy at the muzzle. I have no data on the .458 African, but I believe it is/was an attempt to achieve Lott velocities in a standard length cartridge.

    The cz 550 Safari can be had in both lott and win mag I believe. I've seen and shot the lott, but I think I've seen the win mag also. The African looks like a wild cat and would have to be custom built. I'm may have made a goof or two as I'm not an African rifle expert, but that's my best understanding.

    If 150gr .270's were a little much for ya then any of the above wouldn't be advisable. Just looking at the physics they are going to be painful for most people to fire more than a handful of times. My experience, the lott out of the cz was slightly more recoil than my mossy 835 with heavy 3 1/2" loads. It's fun for a couple rounds, but would start to suck pretty quickly after that.
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    With my short lived .458 a few things that I remember. The thing was friggin' ugly, when I tried to remove it from the box it would not budge. I thought it was secured by more than card board. NO, it weighed a ton. I think the stock was made out of concrete blocks. I believe it had a peep sight. The stock was dull, like it was never rubbed out. I had a hard time holding it up and working the bolt. I was laughing ; 'if a White Tail was charging me, don't try to shoot it, just club it with the gun'. I think the mix up was the serial #s of the .270 and .458 were so close (transposed)---that is the reason I got the .458. I THINK !

    Now $15,500 later------------OH GOOD LORD !-------I bought the 500 grainers, but nobody would shoot it while I was untangling the screw up.
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    Is that legal for trout?
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    That's a beautiful #1! Awesome plinker for bear season.
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    STREAKER------I think it woulda' created a TSUAMAI in the Little Loyalsock Trout Stream in Sullivan County.
    fossil
    I did have one jacked in, BUT I neva' pulled the trigga'---my inner ear kept saying OUCH, OUCH!
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